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  • Lance Peter, Rafiq Tediora Screamonstaadabedee, Ellen S. Grenson and 2 others like this.
    • Lance Peter Thank you.
      Saturday at 8:29pm · 
    • Mohd Yassin Mohd Yunus Yet you wrote this note; out of the absence of worry in you.
      Saturday at 8:32pm · 
    • Lance Peter I explained my belief in which I have nothing to worry about
      Saturday at 8:52pm · 
    • Mohd Yassin Mohd Yunus I thought atheism is a disbelief.. anyway, why would you have to present your "belief" here?

      Quoting Richard Dawkins: "Stop worrying. There's probably no God."
      My reply: "Stop asking. It proves worry"
      Saturday at 9:12pm · 
    • Lance Peter Atheism can also be a state of believing in no God. Me ; "Religion is doing what you are told, no matter what is right"
      Saturday at 9:21pm · 
    • Lance Peter Morality is doing what is right no matter what you are told
      Saturday at 9:23pm · 
    • Lance Peter It is atheistic? I said im not certain
      Saturday at 9:23pm · 
    • Mohd Yassin Mohd Yunus 
      Oh, okay. I respect that notion of yours. Islam is the way of life. It is a total surrender towards God. Any compulsion in preaching humans is haraam (illegal). Islam preaches truth. We say things and preach; and it is up to the hearer to accept it or not.

      (don't comment so fast la.. aiyoo)

      Morality.. the problem with it is, each and everyone of us have our own set of thinking/consciousness. Morality is consciousness and ad hoc, everyone would have different set of morality. This would contradict the concept of integrity for a utopia community.

      Simply said; morality ALONE cannot build a stable community.
      Saturday at 9:28pm · 
    • Lance Peter I respect your good will. But again, it comes with no evidence. Simply saying ; true peace is under law, dude
      Saturday at 9:34pm · 
    • Mohd Yassin Mohd Yunus Okay.. what about those Big Bang in Koran; bio-luminescence of deep sea creatures, volcanoes underwater, geographical wonders and all in Koran. Have you ever heard of it?
      Saturday at 9:36pm · 
    • Mohd Yassin Mohd Yunus I believe God was/is merely showing the symptoms of His existence, not the proof of it. Symptoms and Proofs are two different things, hope you can distinguish these two :)
      Saturday at 9:38pm · 
    • Lance Peter Yeah but for your info, that kind of stuff also be found in the bible (i have a note for that). Ever heard about the battery in Baghdad? The wonderful pyramid and the painting in Sahara which gives an image of people swimming in the sea? We cannot over-simplify the technology of the past.

      In addition, there are numerous of scientific errors in both Quran and Bible
      Saturday at 9:43pm · 
    • Lance Peter Yeah. He loves to play hide and seek. Remember Blue's Clues? I hope you watched it too
      Saturday at 9:46pm · 
    • Mohd Yassin Mohd Yunus 
      Lance: Tag me.. (maybe useful.. who knows?).

      To answer your comment: Yes, we should never underestimate the prowess of the past, I agree to this. But it still cannot explain the miracle of both Bible and Koran in expressing things men of both's era don't know.

      For example: the Big Bang. I am sure yo have heard of the certain expansion of Universe as it heats up (its a quarks-antiquarks cancelling process which I couldn't remember well). In Surahtul Dzaariyat, verse 47:

      "With the power and skill did We construct the Firmament: for it is We Who create the vastness of Space."

      You were saying that probably, the Prophet of ours stole this knowledge from ancient civilizations. But then, you have to answer three things:

      1. Prophet Muhammad SAW was an illiterate. He was just a normal shepherd with a pole in one of his hands. How can he read, comprehend and came out with something like this.

      2. As much as you guys demand for proof of God, I too, am acquiring proof for your allegation.

      Blue's Clues has got nothing to do with our topic. :)
      Saturday at 9:56pm · 
    • Lance Peter It rely on how you interpret them? As an addition here again I say the itself contains numerous contradictions?
      Saturday at 11:17pm · 
    • Mohd Yassin Mohd Yunus Such as?
      Saturday at 11:17pm · 
    • Lance Peter You dare me post them?
      Saturday at 11:18pm · 
    • Mohd Yassin Mohd Yunus Put it here.. I will try my best to for answer :)
      Saturday at 11:19pm · 
    • Lance Peter One over here
      Saturday at 11:21pm · 
    • Mohd Yassin Mohd Yunus Where?
      Saturday at 11:24pm · 
    • Lance Peter Quick or Slow Creation? Allah creates the heavens and the earth in six days [7:54] and many Muslims want to be modern and scientific, and make that six eons, but then again, He creates instantaneously [2:117], "Be! And it is".
      Saturday at 11:32pm · 
    • Mohd Yassin Mohd Yunus Simple logic:

      I am the CEO of a company. I have the power to do anything to my company. One fine day, my secretary asks me, "Sir, how long should we do this campaign? IN A SPLIT SECOND, A WEEK or A YEAR? Or it is SIX DAYS?

      Answer: God has power. No matter how long it takes; it is up to Him to decide. Who are us to decide and say, "Hey God, you should've do it faster".
      Saturday at 11:35pm ·  ·  1 person
    • Lance Peter Allah creates the heavens and the earth in six days [7:54] vs [2:117], "Be! And it is". I was expecting you to notice the contradiction, dude
      Saturday at 11:37pm · 
    • Mohd Yassin Mohd Yunus 
      No contradiction, you're strengthening the Magnitude of God's Power.
      As I have advised you earlier, be a sincere atheist. Why the heck were you hiding the preceding clause?:

      To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth; WHEN HE DECREETH A MATTER, He saith to it: "Be"; and it is.

      He can create this Universe in six days, a second or even in a millisecond, if HE DECREETH THAT MATTER.

      ..my trust to you jumped down to 87%. It was 96%, then. Sad thing, dude.
      Saturday at 11:54pm · 
    • Lance Peter haha. what kind of weed do ya smoke dude..
      Sunday at 12:44am · 
    • Lance Peter it said it was six days...and suddenly it is also instantaneously..at the same time its six days.. As simple as that
      Sunday at 12:46am · 
    • Mohd Yassin Mohd Yunus Where in [2:117] that states "Allah created the Universe instantaneously"?

      ..Allah said, "IF He wants to create a thing (say; Universe) instantaneously, He can."

      ..in [7:54]: There is no clause that that "Allah NEEDs six days (or eons, whatever the ulamas said) to create the Universe", does it?
      Sunday at 7:13am ·  ·  1 person
    • Lance Peter Allah creates the heavens and the earth in six days [7:54] dude, he just loves to make it six, even he can make it instantaneously? Ok, thats not funny.
      Sunday at 4:19pm · 
    • Mohd Yassin Mohd Yunus That is to show His Power of things/events.
      Sunday at 4:21pm · 
    • Lance Peter To show? So He simply made it six. Fine.
      Sunday at 4:32pm · 
    • Mohd Yassin Mohd Yunus ‎:)
      Sunday at 5:21pm · 
    • Lance Peter Quran-21: 33: “It is He who created The Night and Day, And the Sun and Moon; each of them Swim (float) along in its own course"
      Sunday at 5:24pm · 
    • Lance Peter what does it mean?
      Sunday at 5:24pm · 
    • Mohd Yassin Mohd Yunus 
      The word, ' فَلَكٍ۬' has two forms of definition
      If it is a noun its meaning maybe: orbit, sphere and orb.
      But if it is a verb, its meaning is: circuit.

      Considering that it has 'فِى' before it (which functions as a prepositional, in, at, on, within, during, by, among) then we can take the former phoneme as a noun.

      We cay say that Qur'an is talking about orbit of the Sun and the Moon.
      Sunday at 5:41pm · 
    • Lance Peter Unfortunately, the fact is, sun is stationary without orbiting anything
      Sunday at 5:42pm · 
    • Mohd Yassin Mohd Yunus 
      LOL. Get some encyclopedia.
      Do you know that the Sun is like an organelle to a galaxy called Milky Way? Here's an excerpt from one of NASA's website, "Universe Today":

      "..Astronomers have calculated that it takes the Sun 226 million years to complete orbit around the center of the Milky Way. In other words, that last time that the Sun was in its current position in space around the Milky Way, dinosaurs ruled the Earth. in fact, this Sun orbit has only happened 20.4 times since the Sun itself formed 4.6 billion years ago."
      Sunday at 5:45pm · 
    • Mohd Yassin Mohd Yunus You see, the Sun has its fixed time of orbiting; 226 million. In Koran, [36: 38] Allah said;

      "And the Sun runs his course for a period determined for him: that is the decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, the All-Knowing. (38) "
      Sunday at 5:46pm · 
    • Lance Peter Quran-31: 29: “Seest thou not that Allah merges Night into Day and He merges Day into Night; That He has subjected the sun and moon (to His law), each running its course for a term (time) appointed.” Night and Day
      Sunday at 5:47pm ·  ·  1 person
    • Mohd Yassin Mohd Yunus ‎:)
      Sunday at 5:48pm · 
    • Lance Peter ‎?
      Sunday at 5:48pm · 
    • Mohd Yassin Mohd Yunus Debunk my comment. Where did Prophet Muhammad SAW learned that the Sun has orbit?
      Sunday at 5:49pm · 
    • Mohd Yassin Mohd Yunus ‎..and give proof(s), too.
      Sunday at 5:50pm · 
    • Lance Peter He seemed to think that day and night are due to both sun and moon's positions :: Quran-31: 29: “Seest thou not that Allah merges Night into Day and He merges Day into Night; That He has subjected the sun and moon (to His law), each running its course for a term (time) appointed.”
      Sunday at 5:51pm · 
    • Mohd Yassin Mohd Yunus Your argument lacks the word "because". I can accept your argument if there is the word "because"
      Sunday at 5:57pm · 
    • Mohd Yassin Mohd Yunus See this symbol ';'?
      It is used to separate two different independent clauses. The former clause does not dependent upon the latter, unless there is word/phrase like "so", "because" or "since then".
      Sunday at 6:00pm · 
    • Lance Peter ‎"...that merges night into day and he merges day into night" ; "That he has"
      Sunday at 6:02pm · 
    • Lance Peter THAT HE HAS
      Sunday at 6:02pm · 
    • Lance Peter ‎"I am so boring ; that i have nothing to do..." Do I need to use because or since then? i have used 'that i have' and it shows great connections between my previous statement, dude. just like the one 'that he has'
      Sunday at 6:06pm · 
    • Mohd Yassin Mohd Yunus ‎" وَسَخَّرَ" = This is "that He has". The morpheme "وَ" is literally translated as "and".

      "“Seest thou not that Allah merges Night into Day and He merges Day into Night; And He has subjected the sun and moon (to His law), each running its course for a term (time) appointed.”
      Sunday at 6:07pm · 
    • Lance Peter WHY DON'T YOU SIMPLY SAY THAT THE ENGLISH-TRANSLATED KORAN VERSE IS ALL WRONG? AND SO THE MALAY-KORAN BECAUSE OF THE WORDS 'KAMI TELAH MENCIPTA' ? LOL
      Sunday at 6:10pm · 
    • Mohd Yassin Mohd Yunus 
      Eng-Abdul Daryabadi: "Observest thou not that Allah plungeth the night into the day and plungeth the day into the night AND hath subjected the sun and the moon, each running unto an appointed term, and that Allah is of that which ye work Aware"

      Eng-Dr. Mohsin: "See you not (O Muhammad SAW) that Allâh merges the night into the day (i.e. the decrease in the hours of the night are added to the hours of the day), and merges the day into the night (i.e. the decrease in the hours of day are added in the hours of night), AND has subjected the sun and the moon, each running its course for a term appointed; and that Allâh is All¬Aware of what you do."

      Eng-Pickhtall Audio: "Hast thou not seen how Allah causeth the night to pass into the day and causeth the day to pass into the night, AND hath subdued the sun and the moon (to do their work), each running unto an appointed term; and that Allah is aware of what ye do?"

      Yusuf Ali uses semicolon (;) as a substitution for the word AND.
      Sunday at 6:10pm · 
    • Mohd Yassin Mohd Yunus Itulah yang mengecewakan saya, kadang-kadang. Orang Malaysia biasa seperti saya pun dapat melihat dengan jelas betapa kesalahan seperti pengasingan fonem "dan" mampu merubah makna (btw, cuba lihat terjemahan Indonesia, jika ada)
      Sunday at 6:12pm · 
    • Lance Peter CONCLUSION ; Read only Arabic Koran all other translations may contain inaccurate words! Everybody has to master Arabic Language [?]
      Sunday at 6:14pm · 
    • Lance Peter Tafsirs[interpretations] shouldn't be existing so burn them all for they may lead serious misunderstanding?
      Sunday at 6:16pm · 
    • Mohd Yassin Mohd Yunus No. Its fardhu kifayah. Seseorang yang mahir DAN telus dalam menterjemah perlu hadir dalam sesebuah masharakat; sebagai rujukan. Saya tidak menginginkan untuk menjadi itu, dan dengan itu saya belajar (sikit-sikitlah). Bukan READ ONLY tetapi LEARN Arab, supaya ada asa dala mentafsir ayat.
      Sunday at 6:16pm · 
    • Lance Peter BUT INTERPRETATIONS STILL HAVE THE RISK OF CONTAINING INACCURATE WORDS!!
      Sunday at 6:17pm · 
    • Mohd Yassin Mohd Yunus I forbids the incineration of those translation. I demand the improvisation and rectifying of it. To express the direct translation of it. Interpretation is an effort at its best to describe the meaning of a word according to the culture/language it had been translated. Burning would be a vanity; why don't we compense it, and make a new one.

      =_=" Hey, where were we?
      Sunday at 6:20pm · 
    • Lance Peter See, an example is me. I know nothing about Arabic Words, so I rely on English or Malay Translations, but I do face the risk of reading inaccurate words? This is our current topic buddy
      Sunday at 6:23pm · 
    • Mohd Yassin Mohd Yunus 
      I know Christendom had a wholesome of bad experiencing due to the misinterpretation and misunderstanding of Aramaic, to Hebrew, to Greek. Our scholar have learned so much from Bible's history and they're not going to take the risk. That is why in every translation Koran, the original text (which is, in Arabic) is printed side-by-side. In my translation, for example; there is a footnote:

      "Jika ada kesilapan dalam penterjemahan, percetakan dan pentafsiran, sila kembalikan ini kepada pengilang di alamat.."
      Sunday at 6:24pm · 
    • Mohd Yassin Mohd Yunus Why are you relying? I thought atheists are those who have more knowledge in the subject they criticize, don't they?
      Sunday at 6:25pm · 
    • Lance Peter LOL thats SO universal
      Sunday at 6:26pm · 
    • Mohd Yassin Mohd Yunus 
      Its progressive, my intuition calls it. We are asked to learn, so that our brain didn't get rotten away. I was too, a boy like you (except I was a believer) who know nothing about translation. Due to some of my pals' advise plus self-consciousness that I have the responsibility of my own, I forced myself to study.

      Universality is it. My own space of Universality is when people scrambling here and there, studying via one another. It creates dynamism and non-stagnancy.

      We become universal creature when we learn the universe; and all that is in it, for the sake of our own. For me, Universality is a Creation, of which, we should find it for ourselves.
      Sunday at 6:30pm ·